August 2007 - Posts

Richard Dawkins Interviews Alister McGrath

This interview was filmed for the TV documentary Root of All Evil? but was left out of the final version. Time restrictions dictated that not all interviews filmed could be used. This was especially regrettable in the case of the McGrath interview, which is therefore offered on Google Video now, unedited.

 

Richard Dawkins: (born March 26, 1941) is a British ethologist, evolutionary biologist (D. Phil, Oxford; D. Sc, Oxford) and popular science writer who holds the Charles Simonyi Chair for the Public Understanding of Science at Oxford University. He is author of many books including the recent bestseller The God Delusion

Alister McGrath: a believer (not necessarily evangelical) with a background in molecular biophysics (D. Phil, Oxford), noted for his work on historical, systematic and scientific theology (D.D. Systematic Theology, Oxford). McGrath was born in Belfast, Northern Ireland, and is currently Professor of Historical Theology at the University of Oxford. He is the author of many books, including the recent bestseller The Dawkins Delusion

Jonathan EdwardsI (Rob) just finished reading George Marsdon's biography of Jonathan Edwards "A Life". Here are Jonathan's last words as told to his daughter Lucy:

"Dear Lucy, it seems to me to be the will of God that I must shortly leave you; therefore give my kindest love to my dear wife, and tell her, that the uncommon union, which has so long subsisted between us, has been of such a nature, as I trust is spiritual, and therefore will continue forever: and I hope she will be supported under so great a trial, and submit cheerfully to the will of God, And as to my children, you are now like to be left fatherless, which I hope will be an inducement to you all to seek a Father, who will never fail you. And as to my funeral, I would have it be like Mr. Burr's; and any additional sum of money that might be expected to be SARAH EDWARDS (1710-1758)laid out that way, I would have it disposed of to charitable uses" (p. 494).

Now Sarah's (his wife) reaction to his death in a letter to another daughter:

"O My Very Dear Child, What shall I say? A holy and good God has covered us with a dark cloud. Oh that we may kiss the rod [of reproof], and lay our hands on our mouths! The Lord has done it. He has made me adore his goodness, that we had him so long. But my God lives; and he has my heart. Oh what a legacy my husband, and your father, has left us! We are all given to God: and there I am, and love to be. Sarah Edwards" (p. 495). 

I (Rob) just finished reading the book The Heavenly Man. Whether or not you agree with his theological positions, there are some very provocative statements regarding the Christian life, discipleship, and suffering, sprinkled throughout; which caused me to stop and reflect on my own comfortable walk with Christ.

pp. 285-287

"Our aim is. . . to evangelize. . . the thousands of unreached people groups, towns and villages located between China and Jerusalem. The vision for Back to Jerusalem is now the primary goal of all the house church leaders of Sinim Fellowship (a group representing hundreds of thousands of house churches in China).

The Heavenly Man: The Remarkable True Story of Chinese Christian Brother YunA few years ago the Sinim leaders prayed about their involvement in the Back to Jerusalem mission. We then came together and each house church network revealed the number of missionaries they were committed to train and send overseas. When we added the number of workers together it totaled 100,000. That means we intend to send 100,000 missionaries outside China in the coming years!

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We have also come to understand that the past thirty years of suffering, persecution and torture for the house churches in China were all part of God’s training for us. The Lord has perfectly fitted us to go as missionaries to the person, Buddhist and Hindu worlds.

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We are not ignorant of the fact that these nations don’t welcome the gospel! We’re well aware that countries like Afghanistan, Iran and Saudi Arabia will not take kindly to preachers in their land!

There is little that any of the person, Buddhist or Hindu countries can do to us that we haven’t already experienced in China. The worst they can do is kill us, but all that means is that we will be promoted into the glorious presence of our Lord for all eternity!

The Back to Jerusalem missionary movement is not an army with guns or human weapons. It isn’t a group of well-dressed, slick professionals. It’s an army of broken-hearted Chinese men and women whom God has cleansed with a mighty fire, and who have already been through years of hardship and deprivation for the sake of the gospel. In worldly terms they have nothing and appear unimpressive, but in the spiritual realm they are mighty warriors for Jesus Christ! We thank God that he “chose the foolish things of the world to shame the wise; God chose the weak things of the world to shame the strong. He chose the lowly things of this world and the despised things—and the things that are not—to nullify the things that are, so that no one may boast before him.” 1 Corinthians 1:27-29."

As Caleb grows and develops in his capacity to understand and learn God's Word, even memorize short verses, my leadership as a father in our home is being brought into sharp focus.  It is something that is more on my thoughts now than at any point before. I believe the turning point was the fact that Constance is now old enough to sit still and even participate in Bible stories. That completely changed our family dynamics concerning family devotions.

Martine and I have in the past gone through books together as a couple, and story and prayer times with Caleb, individually, have been commonplace, but we haven't had consistent family devotions (with children included) until recently. As part of this major familial shift Martine and I also have often discussed our desires concerning the heritage we want to build into our children.  We realize that a decision to follow Christ has to come from each child individually, but we are committed to building an atmosphere that lives and breathes faith in a trustworthy heavenly Father.

Some of the most remarkable influences in my life, at times, have been dead men. At the beginning of our missionary tenure with World Venture we were required to read a book called "From Jerusalem to Irian Jaya." It is a biographical history of Christian missions that begins with the New Testament church and works it's way up to the mid-80's. I would recommend the book to anyone considering missions or who is simply interested in how God has built His global church over the centuries. But, interestingly, the book was very depressing to my wife, Martine, because the majority of the pillars of the faith in this book had horrendous marriages and children who did not follow the Lord. One notable person, William Carey, is someone I would never go to for marital advice of any kind. But God used him, a severely flawed vessel like all of us, greatly anyway.

There were some notably exceptions to this "bad-marriage" trend however, and it is to these exceptions that I love to turn to for historical examples of men of God who loved their wives and led their children to treasure Christ above all else. A few of these exceptions are Adoniram Judson, Hudson Taylor, and Jonathan Edwards. Here is what the Christian History Institute had to say about the immense generational impact that Jonathan and Sarah Edwards had over the centuries that followed them:

"In 1900, A. E. Winship studied what happened to 1,400 descendants of Jonathan and Sarah by the year 1900. He found they included 13 college presidents, 65 professors, 100 lawyers and a dean of a law school, 30 judges, 66 physicians and a dean of a medical school, and 80 holders of public office, including three US Senators, mayors of three large cities, governors of three states, a Vice-President of the United States, and a controller of the United States Treasury. They had written over 135 books and edited eighteen journals and periodicals. Many had entered the ministry. Over 100 were missionaries and others were on mission boards."

Honestly, I could care less if Caleb or Constance became a college president, or dean of a law school. . . but "100 missionaries?"  Whatever they do, I desperately want my two young children to treasure Christ above all else. When it comes to raising up children who treasure Christ, I would love to have Jonathan and Sarah Edwards speak into our lives as parents. Show me please Jonathan and Sarah, what it means to breathe grace into every aspect of our life as a family.

Jonathan Edwards: A LifeThat's exactly what is happening. . .  even though Jonathan died in 1758. I'm finishing up his biography, "A Life", by George M. Marsden. Marsden allows us to look inside the Edwards family and relive the interactions that they had, interactions that God used to develop supernatural and eternal longings that transcended circumstances.

Here is what Esther, his happily married daughter, recounts in a letter to a close friend after a short summer visit with her parents:

"Last eve I had some discourse with my father on the great things that concernl my best interest--I opened my difficulties to him very freely and he as freely advised and directed. The conversation has removed some distressing doubts that discouraged me much in my Christian warfare--He gave me some excellent directions to be observed in secret that tend to keep the soul near to God, as well as others to be observed in a more public way--What a mercy that I have such a Father! Such a guide!" (pp. 424-425)

Oh to be a blessing like that to our children!

But the real test for Esther came about a year later. Her husband and father of her two small children, whom she respected and loved dearly, died of fever. Marsden recounts the fruit that parents of such a godly fiber instilled in her:

"Esther was devasted but also transformed. She had been deeply attached to her energetic husband. Esther's letters to Sally Prince had alluded to countless occasions when she and Burr enjoyed discussing common concerns and acquaintances. Now she was left suddenly lonely with two small children. Yet, when almost the worst imaginable had happened, she had also found spiritual resources that she had not realized she had. To her motherc she wrote in early October, not long after the funeral, that "God has seemed sensibly near. . . . I think God has given me such a sense of the vanity of the world, and uncertainty of all sublunary enjoyments, as I never had before. The world vanishes out of my sight! Heavenly and eternal things appear much more real and important, than ever before." (pp. 428-429).

Then Marsden continues with another intimate window into the interaction Esther had with her father, Jonathan, throughout this tumuluous time:

One evening, a few days after finding strength for this submission, when she was "talking of the glorious state of my dear departed husband must be in," Esther experienced quintessentially Edwardsean ecstasy with which both her parents could resonate. "My soul was carried out in such longing desires after this glorious state," she told her father, "that I was forced to retire from the family to cnceal my joy. When alone I was so transported and my sould carried out in such eager desires after perfection and the full enjyment of God and to serve him uninterruptedly that I think my nature could not have borne much more--I think dear sir I had that night a foretaste of Heaven."

Edwards, ever the wise counselor, wrote back immediately rejoicing in God's blessing and reminding Esther that true faith was not found in perpetual ecstasy, but in God's covenant faithfulness. "How do the bowels of his tender love and compassion appear, while he is correcting you by so great a shake of his head! Indeed, he is a faithful God; he will remember his covenant forever; and never will faith them that trust in him. But don't be surprised, or think some strange thing has happened to you, if after this light, clouds of darkness return." (pp. 429)

These kinds of father-daughter interactions can only be built on a years-long foundation with God almighty as the Rock, the center of the very identity of a family. I pray every day that God gives us the grace to model this kind of God-saturated outlook to our children. Though I do not necessarily desire suffering, like that of Esther Edward's loss of a husband at a young age, for my children; the world, so full of sin, is full of suffering and injustice. But, Caleb and Constance, our great God is forever faithful through it, and we will revel in His faithfulness for all eternity.

I (Rob) just finished reading the book The Heavenly Man. Whether or not you agree with his theological positions, there are some very provocative statements regarding the Christian life, discipleship, and suffering, sprinkled throughout; which caused me to stop and reflect on my own comfortable walk with Christ.

The Heavenly Man: The Remarkable True Story of Chinese Christian Brother Yunpp. 285-286, 295:

Once I spoke in the West and a Christian told me, “I’ve been praying for years that the Communist government in China will collapse, so Christians can live in freedom.” This is not what we pray! We never pray against our government or call down curses on them. Instead, we have learned that God is in control of both our own lives and the government we live under. Isaiah prophesied about Jesus, “The government will be on his shoulders.” Isaiah 9:6.

God has used China’s government for his own purposes, moulding and shaping his children as he sees fit. Instead of focusing our prayers against any political system, we pray that regardless of what happens to us, we will be pleasing to God.

Don’t pray for the persecution to stop! We shouldn’t pray for a lighter load to carry, but a stronger back to endure! Then the world will see that God is with us, empowering us to live in a way that reflects his love and power.

This is true freedom!

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In a similar way, I pray that God might use the Chinese church to help the Western church rise up and walk in the power of the Holy Spirit. It’s almost impossible for the church in China to go to sleep in its present situation. There’s always something to keep us on the run, and it’s very difficult to sleep while you’re running. If persecution stops, I fear we’ll become complacent and fall asleep.

This article was written by Martine to a women's group in Hermiston Oregon. The question was "What Has God Taught Me?" regarding her experiences as a woman of God, wife, and mother of two. . .  all in the context of ministry.

What Has God Taught Me?

Hi, my name is Martine Karch, I’m the wife of Rob Karch. We are missionary in Quebec Canada. My first language is French (born and raised in Montreal). We have two children; Caleb and Constance.

God has taught me patience, Patience, patience, patience. I’m not a fast learner so He has to teach me this one a lot: patience with my children; patience with my husband; and patience with the things of life that I would love to have or experience right now, but can’t yet. 

Having children has taught me to forget some of myself (I’m sure many of you already know this). But God has shown me that it was great to learn and to live like that. That is what He did for us.

A big thing with me is that I’m a very emotional women. That is beautiful, but I’ve learned (and am still learning) to not allow my emotions to guide my decisions, or to not let the doubts in my head dictate my life and make my emotions grow bigger. It is soooo hard, but really good, to confess to our Saviour and ask him to clear those doubts and let Him tell You through His Word how to react or to do thing etc…

In ministry, what I do best, I think, is to listen to people and to open our home. We have a small group in our home each week, which I really like, but sometimes I would just like to sit on my couch after the kids go to bed and look in the empty (relaxing)… then people arrive and the night goes on. I feel blessed and God has taught me that even though I don’t necessarily always look forward to having people in our house, He is still using me in the lives of others. Playing an active role in ministry helps my husband, my children see that mom and dad work together for their saviour, and most of all, I know that it’s making me grow more and more.

There is probably more thing to say, but I think I will stop there for now.

Thank you for you interest in what God is teaching me. But we all know that if we let God be the one in control He will teach us; because He only wants the best for you and me.

In Christ,

Martine

(Isaiah 41:10)

 

The last two weeks of July we had a short-term French team here, we did prayer walks, service projects, video-interviews, hung out in parks, coffee-nights, and door-to-door evangelism. Here's a four minute summary of those two incredible weeks.

 

I (Rob) just finished reading the book The Heavenly Man. Whether or not you agree with his theological positions, there are some very provocative statements regarding the Christian life, discipleship, and suffering, sprinkled throughout; which caused me to stop and reflect on my own comfortable walk with Christ.

p. 199

The Heavenly Man: The Remarkable True Story of Chinese Christian Brother YunBecause of disobedience and disrespect for the Lord, my wife, and my co-workers, I went to prison for the second time. The Lord saw I was exhausted in the ministry, so he graciously allowed me to rest in him behind bars for a while and learn about inner spiritual life.

If you are a servant of the Lord, let me encourage you to please, please, humbly watch that you don’t slip into the same error as I did. The Lord God jealously desires us for himself. He is the lover of our souls. If we ever put anything before our relationship with Jesus—even our work for Jesus—then we will be ensnared. If you are burned out, stop! Rest! Your lamp needs a constant infilling of the Lord’s oil or your light will be snuffed out. Remember that “In repentance and rest in your salvation, in quietness and trust is your strength, but you would have none of it . . .  yet the Lord longs to be gracious to you; he rises to show you compassion. For the Lord is God of justice. Blessed are all who wait for him!” Isaiah 30: 15, 18.

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I had already realized my sin and pride had caused me to fall into this situation. After arriving in the detention centre I repented with many tears and threw myself on the Lord’s grace and mercy. He forgave me and increased my faith.

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